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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Queen Extruder
« Last post by Oldbeavo on May 05, 2016, 07:31:31 AM »
I agree Phil K, brood box with 2-4 supers that are honey only.
We work on taking supers when full,( rather than taking full frames) by putting a new super under the full one with a bee escape or clearer board between to get all the bees out of the honey super.
With a queen excluder I know where the queen is. the brood box is sometimes almost full of brood at times and it is easy to assess how the queen is laying.
We do get pollen in the supers when there is heaps coming in, often the bees will put a layer of honey over the pollen and cap it.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Capped honey from ruined SHB hive
« Last post by omnimirage on May 05, 2016, 06:25:56 AM »
Awhile ago one of my hives was entirely decimated by Small Hive Beetle. I went through the hive, extracting all the clean looking *sealed* comb, and discarded everything else. Some maggots got in the bucket, I didn't realise SHB had killed them at the time.

Now I've got this bucket with a good 15-20 kilos of honey in it, and I'm unsure what to do. I read that the honey extracted from such hives isn't any good due to fementing. Does this mean I need to discard the honey? If so, how would I actually discard it? Can I somehow assess the honey to see whether it's actually spoiled or not? I was careful to only get the clean parts. If it is "spoiled", can I use it for mead?

I'm also super duper concerned about bringing SHB to my home where I extract. SHB has been spreading from the east, and the hive that was infested is a good 110 kilometers away from my home: from what I've gathered, SHB hasn't hit the suburbs yet (where I live), and I'd hate to change that. Do I need to be careful when opening these buckets? Are there any precautions I should take? I'm not sure if those maggots will simply die in their with enough time.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Queen Extruder
« Last post by PhilK on May 05, 2016, 02:40:16 AM »
To me it makes a lot more sense to put one on, and then you have no chance of your honey super being contaminated with ------pollen -

Ummmmm I thought that was the desire... honey with pollen
I meant honey frames contaminated with pollen. Of course there are pollen grains in my honey, and that's great.. but when half of my honey frame is dedicated to storing pollen because of nearby brood, that's wasted honey space to me. Pollen doesn't come out in the extractor so those pollen cells stay put.

Obviously it's a complex debate but excluders work for me so I see no reason for me to get rid of them!
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: requeening mean hive
« Last post by CliveHive on May 05, 2016, 01:53:04 AM »
Original Queen & Hive

Put in service Late February
Grew quickly, but produced increasingly aggressive bees resulting in re-queen with Florida mated Italian 3/24.
4/10 inspection showed new brood and honey - - - rapid hive expansion, still ugly bee disposition.
4/20 Neighbor revolt forced hive move out of suburbia (they didn't like getting stung :)
4/24 Hive continued rapid growth - - added deep hive super in prep for split. 
4/27 Split hive and introduced BeeWeaver queen to split in 10-frame deep box hive
4/30 Moved original hive and split to new location in cotton fields
Inspection showed original hive in steep decline with many dead bees, but 3/24 Italian Queen in place
The Split hive was healthy, with many bees, but marked BeeWeaver queen not released from candy box - - My error - - poor job of clearing cork. 
  Released the BeeWeaver queen to the split colony.
5/02 Placed sick original hive in oil baths around stand to get rid of ants and hive beetles, added top feeder, and removed queen that was introduced 3/24, since her
   influence did little to calm the hive.  Left hive queenless for two days - - -
5/04 This is where I notice the original hive appears to be re-jeuvanated and has fresh queen cells.  They may have been started when I removed the Florida queen
   two days earlier, but I didn't see them - - - but that could be me - - - I'm still learning how to look, and what to look for - - -

   I could not find the marked BeeWeaver queen in the split hive  that was put in the hive in a candy-box on 4/27, and released on 4/30.  Perhaps she was there and perhaps not.
   Hindsight says I should have kept looking until I found her, dead or alive - - but I didn't.  I also don't know when the queen cells were made in the split hive - - - but assume they
   must be from the Florida queen's brood that was transfered when the original hive was split. 

Believing - -

1.  I had split too soon - - before I had enough bee population to support two hives - - and - -

2.  My Florida re-queen was continuing to throw mean bees - - -

 - - Today, 5/04, I did a newspaper transfer, and reunited the original bees (now in a queenless deep 10-frame) as a super,  with  the active, honey-laden, healthy split 10frame hive - -
The one where I turned loose a BeeWeaver queen 4 days earlier - - - but can't find today - - -

So - - that's where I am - - -

I think I either have The BeeWeaver queen, or I don't.  If I do, she will take out whatever queen cells are being developed - - - {Oh, schizer!  I have to get the queen grid out from between the two boxes! - - first thing tomorrow.} and she will go on to be the reigning queen - - or - - one of the queens from the queen cells will emerge, and take over the hive.

 
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The "nice smelling ones" that are rip offs of Fischer Bee Quick....

No you didn't  :shocked:
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Queen Extruder
« Last post by sc-bee on May 05, 2016, 01:23:09 AM »
To me it makes a lot more sense to put one on, and then you have no chance of your honey super being contaminated with ------pollen -

Ummmmm I thought that was the desire... honey with pollen

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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Queen Extruder
« Last post by Wombat2 on May 05, 2016, 12:28:01 AM »
Looking at it both ways - I use an excluder - metal wire ones only as the plastic both deteriorate in about 3 years and the sharp edges damage the bees wings. Using the excluder means all the frames in the honey supers are available for extraction. I run a brood box and two honey supers and rob 9 frames every 2-3 weeks during the flow.(sometimes earlier)

On the flip side I helped a novice get started - she purchased 2 x 3 box hives from an old beek who didn't use an excluder. Both hives were chock a block full with burr comb in the lids. all we could get off was 2 frames from one and 3 from the other - every other frame had brood in them - waste of good honey space.

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You know? It lasted about an hour but I just let it smolder after I kit it. I'm going  to try it again with some of the tips you say. The dryer lint sawdust combo worked pretty good to get it started. I bet the jeans would last a long time. Thanks for the tip!
Art
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Queen Extruder
« Last post by PhilK on May 04, 2016, 11:48:43 PM »
This is always an interesting one! I always hear so many people saying not to use queen excluders, ad that worker bees won't cross them etc.

In my experience with an excluder on I get beautiful supers full of pure honeycomb, with no worries about workers not wanting to go across it. When I didn't use it my queen was up in my super laying and bees were storing pollen in my honey super.

To me it makes a lot more sense to put one on, and then you have no chance of your honey super being contaminated with brood and pollen - open your lid, pull heavy frames of pure honey, and that's that. No picking and choosing which frames to leave or take.

I wish my queens got the memo about not going into the honey super
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: requeening mean hive
« Last post by PhilK on May 04, 2016, 11:40:02 PM »
So no queen seen in either hive, but queen cells seen? Did you see any eggs? Sounds like you've got yourself an interesting story here! Wait for one of the experts to chime in on this one
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