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Glad to hear it...mine are doing it too....seems to be during the heat of the day that its at its worst but then again thats when more bees are out on the proch. Sometimes they get so into it both bees fall off the landing board...they then dust themselves off ,fly back up, and go about their business LOL.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: wax yields of cut and drain
« Last post by Michael Bush on July 07, 2015, 05:17:11 PM »
>Is the flavor of crush and strain honey different from extracted honey?

Yes.  So is comb honey.

> I have read that some people think its less nutritious...

I doubt that, it just loses some of the floral hints and the lighter flavors...
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Annual honey extraction....
« Last post by biggraham610 on July 07, 2015, 04:48:41 PM »
>When I announced at the bee meeting that I would like to watch someone do a honey extraction the guy next to me said that growing up in Scotland, his dad just scratched that face of the comb and tilted it on a 45 agree angle so the honey poured out onto a cookie tray.

I'm sure it depends on the source, the temperature, the water content etc. but it never worked for me.  None of it came out except what I scratched out in the first place.

Me too. G
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I read Michaels story Solomon. I know he lost all his bees treating, and lost all his bees not treating, and then hit the right chord and it has worked out since. How about you? You bought 20 packages and had enough from the beginning to not treat and be sustainable. That's nice, what were your losses the first year? The second year? Until you got enough local genetics built in, how big of a hit did you take? If anyone thinks I am anti treatment free you got it wrong. Everyone does not start with 20 hives. If you start with 2 and lose one, you have a chance, if you start with 5 and lose 4 you have a chance, if you start with either and lose all, you are buying bees.  G
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Treatment/Treatment Free is a circular debate. I think everyone would love to be treatment free. I also think that there are some people that see it as irresponsible to watch a hive dwindle. Soloman, If one was to take the treatment free approach from square one, buy 5 local nuc's or packages whatever to get started, and they all crashed, how would you suggest one replace the bees to start again? We dont all have swarms on the doorstep.
I think everyone wants to have a sustainable apiary and never have to buy bees. Screaming "don't buy bees" is counter productive. Perhaps you never bough a bee, but I doubt that's the case. We all had to start somewhere.
I am doing my best to keep my bees alive and free of treatments, All of my current hives are led by queens raised off of original VSH stock open mated to feral drones. They are doing well at the moment, and my hopes are high. I don't think that means if it looked like my whole yard was crashing, I would not take action and try to save them and continue to get more of the local genes working on the next round of queens.
At the end of the day we are managing our bees. There are different management styles in all aspects of Farming, as in Life. To each his own. Belittling someone because they take a different path, solves no mysteries. Also, whats up with the random question mark? Makes it a little hard to read your posts. Good Luck to all. G
I have no idea where the question marks came from.  They were apostrophes when I typed them.

See, I hear something like "I'm doing everything I can to stay treatment-free" and all I can think is, "there's a misunderstanding here."  That statement is an oxymoron.  You don't do a bunch of things to be treatment free.  The bees do treatment free.  Doing everything to stay treatment free is simply not treating and letting the bees handle it.

Yes, I bought bees, in 2003, 20 packages.  Like Michael says, I wanted to be treatment free, so I did what was necessary to make it happen.  I worked really hard and saved my money.  I researched morning noon and night.  And most of all, I found a model and followed it.  So much failure in this field comes from people who start out on their own and don't follow the model of those who have already succeeded.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: wax yields of cut and drain
« Last post by Smertrios on July 07, 2015, 03:25:55 PM »
Is the flavor of crush and strain honey different from extracted honey? I have read that some people think its less nutritious after the honey has been stretched into tiny strands, exposed to oxygen then smeared against the sides of an extractor only to slowly drip down. Would be alot less exposure to oxygen with crush and strain plus there is very little pressure applied to the honey. Tubing leading from the outlet of a crush and strain extractor to the catch barrel could seriously minimize the expose of honey to oxygen.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Annual honey extraction....
« Last post by Michael Bush on July 07, 2015, 02:35:29 PM »
>When I announced at the bee meeting that I would like to watch someone do a honey extraction the guy next to me said that growing up in Scotland, his dad just scratched that face of the comb and tilted it on a 45 agree angle so the honey poured out onto a cookie tray.

I'm sure it depends on the source, the temperature, the water content etc. but it never worked for me.  None of it came out except what I scratched out in the first place.
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> I think everyone would love to be treatment free.

All my life people will say to me "I'd give my right arm to play the guitar like that"  (of course they are partially trying to make that joke) but I say, no you wouldn't.  If you really wanted to play the guitar, you would play it.  Play it when you get up.  Play it during you lunch hour.  Play it when you get home.  Play it in the middle of the night.  If you REALLY want to play the guitar you would play it.  Everyone obviously does not REALLY want to be treatment free or we would all be treatment free.

"Do or do not, there is no try"--Yoda
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Talking with bees
« Last post by Hi-Tech on July 07, 2015, 02:12:44 PM »
Mostly what they hear from me is.. where did I set that dang hive tool?, Crap!, You better move outa the way, girl!, Ohh, you just got squashed, easy, easy,.. Im almost done!...
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Caucasian Hive
« Last post by Hi-Tech on July 07, 2015, 02:05:00 PM »
they are much darker with a longer black tip and less space between the black lines. Most of the Caucasians I have worked were gentle and these are no exception. I have seen them work red clover in the past and have heard they need a long tongue to do that but since I cant get one to open up and say ahhh I'm not for sure.. LOL

Im glad to hear you overcame the deep to med thing. I hope to be able to put that deep frame back and get back to all mediums..
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