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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2010, 02:36:32 PM » |
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I agree with Mason, although I hate the waste of fuel. The leader has to be SEEN leading. It probably is a morale booster for those who live there and see him making a presence.
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2010, 03:57:32 PM » |
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I know I am just so different from everybody else. Some disaster that affects me, one of the last things I care to see is the Mayor, or President, or Governor, or anyone else trying to get face time with the media to "Look like they are doing something". And I guess if my business was ruined and I was needing help, I would really rather he send me the check for the cost of the fuel to help rebuild/restart/relocate than burn it up. I'm sure the millions he has spent doing the "responsible leadership business trips" could have gone a long way to help those that are affected by the mess.
Shrimp boat payments. Mortgage payments. Other cost to other people out of work because of the mess.
Yeah..... I really see the trip(s) as being a responsible response(s).
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2010, 04:17:06 PM » |
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I get what you're saying, Jerrymac, and agree. I just think that practically speaking, in this age of TV and sound bites, presidents HAVE to be seen, even when they may not actually have helped out by flying to the zone of disaster. Think of Bush not being at Katrina for so long. It just looked bad, even though he may not have personally been able to be helpful hanging out around there.
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2010, 04:41:48 PM » |
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I guess the one's that need him there are the "Gimmes" and those like me are the "getthehelloutofmywayers" (sorry couldn't think of a good one.)
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2010, 05:01:28 PM » |
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I don't so much care whether he (Obama) gets some face time scrubbing off a seagull, or staring at oily mud looking sad; as I am aggravated at the stifling repeated FAILURES to approve initiatives designed to block or capture the oil. this isn't a time to do an impact study to determine how a sand berm will effect the marshes, this is a time to say "try it now and see if it works, and if it does we'll pass it on as an effective method."
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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2010, 05:14:53 PM » |
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Yeah, I heard of some filtration system being proposed that wouldn't pass EPA since they weren't sure if the effluent water would be pure enough. What?!? I don't know the truth of that one. It seems too crazy to be true.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2010, 10:37:24 PM » |
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2010, 06:43:02 AM » |
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Last night before I went to bed I was watching some news program (half an eye on it) and they ran a story saying Florida residents weren't being allowed to clean up their own beaches. WHY??? What kind of game is being played here? Why are they ignoring, delaying, twiddling, etc. when people offer real, concrete help?
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2010, 07:15:20 PM » |
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"What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every
government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing
and concentrating all cares and powers into one body, no matter
whether of the autocrats of Russia or France, or of the
aristocrats of a Venetian Senate." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph C.
Cabell, 1816.
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2010, 07:48:45 PM » |
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I imagine that OSHA doesn't want to risk the law suits from injured civilians....the environment can't sue.
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2010, 08:04:57 PM » |
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2010, 09:03:01 PM » |
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The oil still belongs to BP. If you get sick from cleaning up their oil, you might be able to sue them, but they might turn around and sue you. They are handling (as the head hancho) the clean up everywhere on the shores so far. So far all the clean up guys are employed by BP or are working as sub contractors under BP management. The gov don't want people to get sick from doing something wrong or stupid in cleaning up the beaches.
This is about as stupid as the Fed gov wanting an environmental impact study done before they could build sand berms to protect the wet lands before the oil got in there and killed everything. Could the sand berms hurt the wildlife worse than the oil?
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2010, 09:22:41 PM » |
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No. The oil was theirs as long as they had control over it. When it hit some one's property it was trespassing and subject to finders keepers.  |
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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2010, 09:41:52 PM » |
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I wonder if you can sell that stuff on Ebay?
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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2010, 11:01:10 AM » |
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I wonder if you can sell that stuff on Ebay?
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2010, 12:50:48 PM » |
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I need to change the oil in the truck. I wonder......................
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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2010, 01:01:18 PM » |
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If I ever become oil I hope someone puts me in a motorcycle. With my luck I will become a fossil and some yo-yo will dig me up and put me on his wall with a stupid hat on me.
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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2010, 03:51:18 PM » |
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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2010, 04:14:16 PM » |
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« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2010, 06:35:02 PM » |
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Whats good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?
The Ladies could still teach the Borg a thing or two!....and maybe us too, so long as we don't go too far to the left or right and fall off the edge...
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